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Sample case with 33 parts / assemblies Curta Type 1

 
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murff



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2018 7:01 pm    Post subject: Sample case with 33 parts / assemblies Curta Type 1 Reply with quote

back in May 2018, this topic: New "Demo" scam

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Wow!!! That's a really poor effort. I sincerely hope no-one was hoodwinked by this



I was asking
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Scam?


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not everything is scam, even if it is unknown





Coincidentally, I recently bought exactly the same "demo scam" suitcase - it was part of the so called Final Contina Summer Sale.

What I learned is that it's a big difference between a small picture and an object in reality.

This sample case with 33 parts / assemblies is excellent built - name it professional. All parts are carefully mounted and even on the back side of the wooden montage plate you will not see anything else than red velvet.

I published some pictures and this description:

Sample case with 33 parts / assemblies Curta Type 1




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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 1:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quality construction and blank baseplate notwithstanding, this is not on the same level as a genuine demo box. And since the genuine demo boxes were for earlier machines, I'd guess that this wasn't a Contina product but something made aftermarket. Are there any parts in that case that aren't the pieces of the one machine? Because it just looks like a nicely displayed disassembled machine.

Perhaps an office supply company made these for their salesmen? Wouldn't be so difficult.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The green box has an adapted form for the items but otherwise it's on a similar level (construction or production method). It's branded CONTINA and inside CURTA - and of course, it contains a demonstration model.

For the sample case parts from two Curtas were used - so it would be a bit costly to disassembly two of them...




But yes, the story behind this mystery briefcase is still in the dark Cool
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The thing that stands out to me is the unfinished rough wood. I've never seen an instrument display case that didn't have ALL the elements "finished" to some degree, usually you'd expect wood in such a display to be sanded smooth, probably stained, and wax polished.

The green boxes look to be made on the same basis as musical instrument cases, or scientific instrument cases. You wouldn't expect to see unfinished wood in those. It makes me think the briefcase wasn't made by the same people who made the green boxes.

Anyway thanks for posting!
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 2:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I gotta agree, the raw pine, does not look like quality construction.

Not sure what about that makes you think its to high a quality for an individual to do. Felt cover foamed is easy to cut, heck lots of people state side have personal cnc and laser cutters that would work fine.

Anyhow, not sure where you found a 2nd one but well done.

I find your comment about the first one being sold at a well known auction house interesting, as I have seen lots of questionable listings from that auction house, and when questioned they often say, well thats what we were told and buyer is expected to do there own research.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some points:

- Turning wood for mounting the different parts is not typically DIY (... but possible)



- CNC and laser cut were not available for private use before 1994 - the only dated picture of the briefcase is from 1994

- Auction Team Breker is a well-known auction house which is in the business for more than 30 years (so what is so interesting? ... I can't understand your thought about "questionable listings")
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2018 1:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

murff wrote:
Some points:

- Turning wood for mounting the different parts is not typically DIY (... but possible)


Really,

Over here (USA) you can pick up a lathe for about $150. Lots of people have dabbled in turning. Yes it is a very DIY thing over here. Even in the 80's

But if I were DIYing it I sure as hell would not have wasted my time using a cheap wood like pine.

And that is how / why I look at it and think its not well done. If you were doing it to be classy you would have used a hard wood. Not saying some company didn't make these, just saying its not like they used high quality material in the build.

Of course these might have been done near the end as they were running low on funds who knows.

Still a cool find and neat thing to add to a curta museum. And more interesting to know there are at least 2 of these out there now.

I will stick with my original comment selling this as a demonstration unit is scamming someone as it is not a working model to demonstrate its a nice display of components though.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2018 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here I'm trying to collect the characteristics and the known facts of both boxes...


Curta Type 1 - Demonstrations Modell - Demo box | Musterkoffer - Sample case


PS: also inside the green box only pine was used - no mahagony Very Happy
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